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		<title>By: David Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow great post thanks Bilbo.  Please get in touch if you&#039;d like to chat more.  I&#039;d like to do a film about Freemen in modern Britain - are you nearly that?  David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow great post thanks Bilbo.  Please get in touch if you&#8217;d like to chat more.  I&#8217;d like to do a film about Freemen in modern Britain &#8211; are you nearly that?  David</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Baggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilbo Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Henry is quite right in the assertion that no human being can be compelled into &quot;registering&quot; for anything if they refuse and stand their ground. 

Statute&#039;s are given the force of law by CONSENT of the goverened. This is an individual assumed consent and not a democratic one. Today; most interactions between an individual and &quot;the state&quot; are via contractual law. This is why every Government Department, Court, &quot;local authority&quot; is a registered corporation. 

Even good ol&#039; UK govt is a corporation. Though it is no longer UK PLC having become &quot;UNITED KINGDOM GOVERNMENT LTD&quot; during the previous labour government. The previous Managing Director was Alisdair Darling as; he has or had diplomatic status which helps get around a lot of red tape concerning accountability. 

If we refuse to contract when the various corporations come knocking, we cannot be held subject to their jurisdiction. The only law we are all bound by in England and Wales is the Common Law. Common Law can usually only be violated if a human commits a crime of harm or loss, breaches the peace or uses fraud or mischief in their contracts with another. That pretty much covers everything a civilised society actually needs to function in my opinion. 

The easiest way concerning the electoral roll would be to simply return any canvassing/registration forms unopened with the words &quot;NO CONTRACT. RETURN TO SENDER&quot; printed on the outside of the envelope. Eventually they get the picture that you are wise to their empty-veiled threats and stop bothering. I haven&#039;t registered on the electoral roll since I woke up to the truth about how &quot;soceity&quot; really works. I cannot morally give my consent to be governed any more than I already am by registering the person. Even if your person is already on the electoral roll, you likely had not full disclosure of the contract when you signed it up so you can simply notice them that you are revoking the contract due to this and it becomes unenforceable.

Whilst it is very difficult to operate as a true &quot;Freeman&quot; in modern Britain; you can at least use the knowledge that you are not the person but rather it&#039;s agent to play on a level playing-field. 

If you are compelled to sign anything, one can simply sign as the agent for the person acting under duress, coercion and protest. Therefore it has no standing in law. If you end up in court over a refusal to register; any plea gives the court full jurisdiction over you via maritime law. 

The correct path is simply to challenge the court&#039;s jurisdiction to hear the case in the first place and it really does work as the videos at tpuc.org and freedomrebels.co.uk amply show. 

I don&#039;t have a TV license either as their is no requirement to have one even under statute law if one does not connect and tune the set to receive broadcast television (which is frankly a waste of the hours in the day spent watching it given online resources like the BBC iplayer.) Using a TV for playing DVD&#039;s and games consoles needs no license even if you beleive you are subject to the statutes. 

Consignia (Customer Management) LTD trading as &quot;Tv Licensing&quot; like to bamboozle you with threats and inspect your home if you break from the norm and don&#039;t have a license. They have no power to do either if you don&#039;t consent. 

I actually withdrew &quot;common right of access&quot; from them in writing and they now accept in writing that they cannot even approach my property. If they do I can actually SUE them for trespass under common law. 

N.b: The classic &quot;Trespassers will be prosecuted&quot; signs are incorrect in Britain at least. Unless &quot;aggrivated&quot; or &quot;armed&quot; etc then trespass is actually a common-law tort offence and such signs should read &quot;Trespassers will be sued.&quot; Cerebrus would probably be able to confirm this as it is something I expect they are fairly clued up on.

Freemanism, commercial redemption and the like are very complicated topics to explain in a single comments post. I highly recommend you watch the videos and other items at: tpuc.org, freedomrebels.co.uk and also youtube.com/user/theantiterrorist . 

Also you might want to know of a great way to defeat ANPR cameras outside of London at least. (London&#039;s ANPR network is too-well monitored by human-eyes for this to work.) : Fit a high-powered infrared bulb into your rear-numberplate illumination light. It&#039;s quite lawful AND legal as long as the normal light still works. 

It will dazzle the ANPR cameras at night as they use infrared night-vision to read the number-plates, there is already quite a high-error margin set on the automatic system so it does not set off any alarm bells when a car goes through that the system can&#039;t read. 

Obviously good old-fashioned police with human eyes will still be able to read your plate and the same with speed cameras as they mostly are equipped with flashes. So if you break the rules of the road it won&#039;t help you evade the consequences. It does however stop an enormous data-trail being built up on your movements which I imagine would be quite useful if you are an peaceful anti-war demonstrator etc that has been flagged by the police on the ANPR database so they can harrass you.

Kindest Regards,

Bilbo Baggins.

PS:- This little analysis proves the futility of voting in any election and is soundly backed up: http://cynlib.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-you-shouldnt-vote.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Henry is quite right in the assertion that no human being can be compelled into &#8220;registering&#8221; for anything if they refuse and stand their ground. </p>
<p>Statute&#8217;s are given the force of law by CONSENT of the goverened. This is an individual assumed consent and not a democratic one. Today; most interactions between an individual and &#8220;the state&#8221; are via contractual law. This is why every Government Department, Court, &#8220;local authority&#8221; is a registered corporation. </p>
<p>Even good ol&#8217; UK govt is a corporation. Though it is no longer UK PLC having become &#8220;UNITED KINGDOM GOVERNMENT LTD&#8221; during the previous labour government. The previous Managing Director was Alisdair Darling as; he has or had diplomatic status which helps get around a lot of red tape concerning accountability. </p>
<p>If we refuse to contract when the various corporations come knocking, we cannot be held subject to their jurisdiction. The only law we are all bound by in England and Wales is the Common Law. Common Law can usually only be violated if a human commits a crime of harm or loss, breaches the peace or uses fraud or mischief in their contracts with another. That pretty much covers everything a civilised society actually needs to function in my opinion. </p>
<p>The easiest way concerning the electoral roll would be to simply return any canvassing/registration forms unopened with the words &#8220;NO CONTRACT. RETURN TO SENDER&#8221; printed on the outside of the envelope. Eventually they get the picture that you are wise to their empty-veiled threats and stop bothering. I haven&#8217;t registered on the electoral roll since I woke up to the truth about how &#8220;soceity&#8221; really works. I cannot morally give my consent to be governed any more than I already am by registering the person. Even if your person is already on the electoral roll, you likely had not full disclosure of the contract when you signed it up so you can simply notice them that you are revoking the contract due to this and it becomes unenforceable.</p>
<p>Whilst it is very difficult to operate as a true &#8220;Freeman&#8221; in modern Britain; you can at least use the knowledge that you are not the person but rather it&#8217;s agent to play on a level playing-field. </p>
<p>If you are compelled to sign anything, one can simply sign as the agent for the person acting under duress, coercion and protest. Therefore it has no standing in law. If you end up in court over a refusal to register; any plea gives the court full jurisdiction over you via maritime law. </p>
<p>The correct path is simply to challenge the court&#8217;s jurisdiction to hear the case in the first place and it really does work as the videos at tpuc.org and freedomrebels.co.uk amply show. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a TV license either as their is no requirement to have one even under statute law if one does not connect and tune the set to receive broadcast television (which is frankly a waste of the hours in the day spent watching it given online resources like the BBC iplayer.) Using a TV for playing DVD&#8217;s and games consoles needs no license even if you beleive you are subject to the statutes. </p>
<p>Consignia (Customer Management) LTD trading as &#8220;Tv Licensing&#8221; like to bamboozle you with threats and inspect your home if you break from the norm and don&#8217;t have a license. They have no power to do either if you don&#8217;t consent. </p>
<p>I actually withdrew &#8220;common right of access&#8221; from them in writing and they now accept in writing that they cannot even approach my property. If they do I can actually SUE them for trespass under common law. </p>
<p>N.b: The classic &#8220;Trespassers will be prosecuted&#8221; signs are incorrect in Britain at least. Unless &#8220;aggrivated&#8221; or &#8220;armed&#8221; etc then trespass is actually a common-law tort offence and such signs should read &#8220;Trespassers will be sued.&#8221; Cerebrus would probably be able to confirm this as it is something I expect they are fairly clued up on.</p>
<p>Freemanism, commercial redemption and the like are very complicated topics to explain in a single comments post. I highly recommend you watch the videos and other items at: tpuc.org, freedomrebels.co.uk and also youtube.com/user/theantiterrorist . </p>
<p>Also you might want to know of a great way to defeat ANPR cameras outside of London at least. (London&#8217;s ANPR network is too-well monitored by human-eyes for this to work.) : Fit a high-powered infrared bulb into your rear-numberplate illumination light. It&#8217;s quite lawful AND legal as long as the normal light still works. </p>
<p>It will dazzle the ANPR cameras at night as they use infrared night-vision to read the number-plates, there is already quite a high-error margin set on the automatic system so it does not set off any alarm bells when a car goes through that the system can&#8217;t read. </p>
<p>Obviously good old-fashioned police with human eyes will still be able to read your plate and the same with speed cameras as they mostly are equipped with flashes. So if you break the rules of the road it won&#8217;t help you evade the consequences. It does however stop an enormous data-trail being built up on your movements which I imagine would be quite useful if you are an peaceful anti-war demonstrator etc that has been flagged by the police on the ANPR database so they can harrass you.</p>
<p>Kindest Regards,</p>
<p>Bilbo Baggins.</p>
<p>PS:- This little analysis proves the futility of voting in any election and is soundly backed up: <a href="http://cynlib.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-you-shouldnt-vote.html" rel="nofollow">http://cynlib.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-you-shouldnt-vote.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Bond</title>
		<link>http://erasingdavid.com/categories/protect-yourself/government/comment-page-1/#comment-4383</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 13:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be amazing to get an estimate of the number of non-registered people.  Gerry do you do other things relatively normally (e.g. are you honest in the census / are you registered with a GP etc)?  I know this will sound very naive but I had no idea that non-registration was an option - or at least an option with only limited sanctions.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be amazing to get an estimate of the number of non-registered people.  Gerry do you do other things relatively normally (e.g. are you honest in the census / are you registered with a GP etc)?  I know this will sound very naive but I had no idea that non-registration was an option &#8211; or at least an option with only limited sanctions.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
		<link>http://erasingdavid.com/categories/protect-yourself/government/comment-page-1/#comment-4132</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 18:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, the electoral registration form states clearly (I can&#039;t quote directly as I&#039;m at work the now) that you have an obligation to register, and if you don&#039;t that you could be liable to a fine. The Act which David kindly points to is also clear:

&quot;(3)  If any person—
(a)
fails to comply with, or
(b)
gives false information in pursuance of,
any such requisition of the registration officer as is mentioned in this regulation, he shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.&quot;

So legally there&#039;s a requirement to register and you could be prosecuted under criminal law if you don&#039;t. In practice, with millions of citizens not registering, the State&#039;s unlikely to prosecute if only because of the sheer cost. I don&#039;t register for political (anarchist) reasons, too many to list here, and also because I don&#039;t want to be easily tracked by a private company or individual. Neither do I want to sit on a jury in judgement on some poor fellow worker. 

Out of curiousity, does anyone know the current &#039;abstention rate&#039; from registration? It would be an estimate, naturally, but it would be interesting to know. If only 60% or so of the registered electorate votes in a general election, then that&#039;s a low enough figure already - if that electorate is itself only, say, 80% of the eligibile population, then it&#039;s likely that under half of the adult population takes part in elections. Which has a major deleterious impact on the &#039;authority&#039; of any administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, the electoral registration form states clearly (I can&#8217;t quote directly as I&#8217;m at work the now) that you have an obligation to register, and if you don&#8217;t that you could be liable to a fine. The Act which David kindly points to is also clear:</p>
<p>&#8220;(3)  If any person—<br />
(a)<br />
fails to comply with, or<br />
(b)<br />
gives false information in pursuance of,<br />
any such requisition of the registration officer as is mentioned in this regulation, he shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.&#8221;</p>
<p>So legally there&#8217;s a requirement to register and you could be prosecuted under criminal law if you don&#8217;t. In practice, with millions of citizens not registering, the State&#8217;s unlikely to prosecute if only because of the sheer cost. I don&#8217;t register for political (anarchist) reasons, too many to list here, and also because I don&#8217;t want to be easily tracked by a private company or individual. Neither do I want to sit on a jury in judgement on some poor fellow worker. </p>
<p>Out of curiousity, does anyone know the current &#8216;abstention rate&#8217; from registration? It would be an estimate, naturally, but it would be interesting to know. If only 60% or so of the registered electorate votes in a general election, then that&#8217;s a low enough figure already &#8211; if that electorate is itself only, say, 80% of the eligibile population, then it&#8217;s likely that under half of the adult population takes part in elections. Which has a major deleterious impact on the &#8216;authority&#8217; of any administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 23:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

You posted a link to a Statute.  An ACT. It speaks of Persons.  Are you a Person or a Human Being?  Do you know the difference between a flesh and blood Human and a Legal Fiction?

Like I said don&#039;t confuse Statutes (Legal) with what is Lawful. They are two very different beasties.

Search for &quot;John Harris - It&#039;s an Illusion&quot; and you&#039;ll begin to see where I&#039;m coming from.  Whether or not you agree is another matter.  Doesn&#039;t really affect me in the slightest either way, if you get my gist. ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>You posted a link to a Statute.  An ACT. It speaks of Persons.  Are you a Person or a Human Being?  Do you know the difference between a flesh and blood Human and a Legal Fiction?</p>
<p>Like I said don&#8217;t confuse Statutes (Legal) with what is Lawful. They are two very different beasties.</p>
<p>Search for &#8220;John Harris &#8211; It&#8217;s an Illusion&#8221; and you&#8217;ll begin to see where I&#8217;m coming from.  Whether or not you agree is another matter.  Doesn&#8217;t really affect me in the slightest either way, if you get my gist. <img src='http://erasingdavid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: David Mery</title>
		<link>http://erasingdavid.com/categories/protect-yourself/government/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 23:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry,

&gt; If you think otherwise show me the LAW that says otherwise.

See section 23(3) of The Representation of the People (England and Wales) Regulations 2001 (No. 341)
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?parentActiveTextDocId=2546419&amp;ActiveTextDocId=2546455

(More info in the post I linked to in my earlier comment from November.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry,</p>
<p>&gt; If you think otherwise show me the LAW that says otherwise.</p>
<p>See section 23(3) of The Representation of the People (England and Wales) Regulations 2001 (No. 341)<br />
<a href="http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?parentActiveTextDocId=2546419&amp;ActiveTextDocId=2546455" rel="nofollow">http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?parentActiveTextDocId=2546419&amp;ActiveTextDocId=2546455</a></p>
<p>(More info in the post I linked to in my earlier comment from November.)</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://erasingdavid.com/categories/protect-yourself/government/comment-page-1/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 17:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people are confused by threats of £1000 fines if they don&#039;t register on the Electoral Roll and think there is a legal requirement to do so.  This is simply not true.  There is a legal requirement for the Electoral Registration Officer to ASK you to register. There is no lawful requirement to actually to do so.  The moment that happens is the moment we no longer live in a free country. Think about it. 

If you think otherwise show me the LAW that says otherwise. 

Don&#039;t confuse statues with Law.  Legal does not equal Lawful. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people are confused by threats of £1000 fines if they don&#8217;t register on the Electoral Roll and think there is a legal requirement to do so.  This is simply not true.  There is a legal requirement for the Electoral Registration Officer to ASK you to register. There is no lawful requirement to actually to do so.  The moment that happens is the moment we no longer live in a free country. Think about it. </p>
<p>If you think otherwise show me the LAW that says otherwise. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse statues with Law.  Legal does not equal Lawful. <img src='http://erasingdavid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Guy Herbert (General Secretary, NO2ID)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Herbert (General Secretary, NO2ID)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 05:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people may be slightly confused by the assertion that &quot;NO2ID does not demand any personal information&quot;, since we do have a form on our website that lets you fill in your address if you want to hear more from us. 

Anyone can take the pledge, and we *don&#039;t* want you tell us you have: We want you to tell your friends. 

We do ask for contact details, if you want to join NO2ID&#039;s mailing list. But you can join the campaign under a pseudonym and pay for your subscription in used fivers if you like. NO2ID doesn&#039;t confuse the minimal authentication necessary to conduct a transaction or maintain a relationship with a &quot;need to know your identity&quot; as officialdom often does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people may be slightly confused by the assertion that &#8220;NO2ID does not demand any personal information&#8221;, since we do have a form on our website that lets you fill in your address if you want to hear more from us. </p>
<p>Anyone can take the pledge, and we *don&#8217;t* want you tell us you have: We want you to tell your friends. </p>
<p>We do ask for contact details, if you want to join NO2ID&#8217;s mailing list. But you can join the campaign under a pseudonym and pay for your subscription in used fivers if you like. NO2ID doesn&#8217;t confuse the minimal authentication necessary to conduct a transaction or maintain a relationship with a &#8220;need to know your identity&#8221; as officialdom often does.</p>
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		<title>By: fodicve</title>
		<link>http://erasingdavid.com/categories/protect-yourself/government/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>fodicve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Es conforme, este pensamiento admirable tiene que justamente a propГіsito</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Es conforme, este pensamiento admirable tiene que justamente a propГіsito</p>
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		<title>By: David Mery</title>
		<link>http://erasingdavid.com/categories/protect-yourself/government/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the data you have to provide to register to vote will be passed on to the three credit rating agencies whether you opt out or not of the edited register. Of course opting out is sound advice. More details at http://gizmonaut.net/blog/uk/2009/09/voting_optional_registration_compulsory.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the data you have to provide to register to vote will be passed on to the three credit rating agencies whether you opt out or not of the edited register. Of course opting out is sound advice. More details at <a href="http://gizmonaut.net/blog/uk/2009/09/voting_optional_registration_compulsory.html" rel="nofollow">http://gizmonaut.net/blog/uk/2009/09/voting_optional_registration_compulsory.html</a></p>
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